From what I gather in this thread the only real way and safe way to make a backup is with a real Xbox 360 drive none of this Kreon crap.

Ya.. since everyone in the world has static IP addresses.

I hope the do, lol. I get a new IP like every week.

no it doesn't.... he has an OLLLDD firmware, he never stated ALL games he has played... and with a firmware that old.. he has most definitely played some older games w/o the stealths..... so this guys post should just be ignored until he posts more information...

also, a lot of people are confused about the fact they think its ONLY when they "play" on live....
if you are connected, aka cord plugged into your xbox, or wireless adapter plugged in, then YOU ARE CONNECTED TO LIVE.... there have been bans reported on people even with silver accounts, so this proves that you don't have to actually play the game, just be connected....

Have a bad Mass Effect and not banned. I played lots of backups while signed in and didn't get banned from first wave or second. I never bothered to update firmware so I'm still using xtreme 4.2a. Maybe I have a lucky Xbox. RROD twice but saved with penny trick.

Guys - It is important to note surrounding bannings that Microsoft will ban in WAVES. You might have got lucky with the first wave but get hit second time. At this point in time we will not be able to say for sure if this data gets you banned or not

Hello,

Just checked my games with kreon:
CoD4 --> BAD
Pgr --> OK
NFS PS --> OK

played CoD 4 29-11 / 30-11 long time live but didn't got bad.

have samsonite m28 with 1xtreme I.3

kisses

My copy of Halo 3 passed all stealth checks in Xbox Backup creator, xdvdmulleter and schtrom (all of them are the latest version).

Does this mean that my copy is 100% stealth, or could it still have the wrong SS etc...?

Only bad kreon rip i had was HL2 the orange box, just be careful guys

I can confirm the following are bad rips...

Ratatouille (PAL)
Rayman Raving Rabbids (PAL)


And these are good rips...

Crime Scene Investigation - Hard Evidence (PAL)
Spider-Man Friend or Foe (PAL)
Skate (PAL)
Lego Star Wars - The Complete Saga (PAL)
Cars (PAL)
Burnout Revenge (PAL)
Sonic The Hedgehog (PAL)
Def Jam Icon (PAL)
Star Trek Legacy (PAL)

Hope this helps...

instead of just posting ... read posts before you

All older games checked out fine only the orange box checked out good for me

games that came back bad
halo3
area 51
conan
assassins creed
call of duty 4
havent played to much played area 51 for about an hour yesterday not banned yet

also will mulleter fix these bad games if i use auto fix option?

NO. Check with Kreon Checker, you could still have a bad ss.

PGR4 - BAD
Halo 3 - BAD/ Played 1 time
Orange Box - BAD
Call Of Duty 4 - BAD
Spiderman - BAD
Thrillville - BAD
NHL 08 - BAD

Not bannend, i also dont believe MS is gonna ban in waves cause else they would done it quicker everyone now knows how they can check. You guys always talkin bout ban waves, but i still have to see the first waves. Its just a bunch of bullcrap, if they can detect you will be banned all at once you guys really think their servers aint capable of banning so many people in once. It isnt really hard to ban a console id. And if you got banned, stop crying and have some respect to the creators of these firmwares and programs you know what the risk can be. I dont really care if they ban, for sure i like it this way but it also doesnt take much work to sell a banned console and get a new one with a new solution.

All my games backed-up my self with Kreon v1.0, 3 BAD , 13 GOOD.

Bad SS>

Halo 3 (PAL)
Rayman Raving Rabbids (PAL)
Blue Dragon (PAL)(Disc 1 only (2+3 are good))

I have never been on live so no info to add about that

hi all have just been checking my games ,so far bad are
cod4 played online
moh airbourne played online
transformers olayed whilst logged in
my good ones so far i have kept a copy of ss for if a database is started.i am still not banned on sammy with ex52fw

This whole backup lark is starting to become a real pain now... First I had to re-rip all my games with stealth using a specially bought kreon drive, then I had to re-check them all after the bans a couple of weeks ago, and now I have to re-rip a load again because of bad ss. I use verbs so this is becoming expensive. And who knows if anything else is gonna be found in the future? We may all need to redo all our games again.

If you don't use live then this is not a problem for you, but for those of us who love it it's a real pain in the arse.

BTW, I'm not disrespecting any of the guys who made all the great FW's and apps out there, I'm just saying it's starting to become not worth it.

2 Bad SS ripped with Kreon v1.0

Halo 3
Half Life 2

Good SS

COD4
PGR4
Timeshift
Assassins Creed
Sega Rally 07

I have repatched Half Life 2 using XDVDMulleter and it passes the kreon check now. I can't fix my Halo 3 backup as it doesn't fail the CRC check.

Bad rips:

thrillville off the rails
the orange box
conan
mass effect
halo 3

Good rips:
ace combat 6
smackdown 2008
cod 4
virtua fighter 5
avatar
assassin creed
kane and lynch
pes 2008

Not banned, but that is probably because I played orange box 1,5 month ago for maybe one hour. However I played mass effect for maybe 2 hours, 2 days before banning. Halo 3 and conan only played till 2/3 weeks after the release date, so probably not banned because it was too early.

Last weeks I only played cod 4 a lot.

Suggestion of rules for this thread....

Please list this information to help...

1. Drive used to create backups
(stated on Xbox Backup Creator in the white box on load)
ex. SHD162-TS04....

2. Firmware version
(located in same place as above)
ex.80, 81

3. Version of Xbox Backup Creator
(located on software title)

4. Drive and Firmware version (xbox360)

5. List of good/bad SS sectors for games

If you have been banned

6. List games that were played (on live)

7. Last time you were on live

8. Other notes that seemed odd.

My reasoning is this.....

Too many things in the way right when trying to get some decent examples. It is possible that it could be a trigger with a certain combination of the factors above rather than a mass epidemic for all. I for one have no bad SS files but we know that they have changed the SS. The question is what is causing some to have good SS while others have bad ?

Next will come defining what was done and what we're up against.

i just checked my orange box backup.

it says "bad kreon rip" yet i have been playing it on and off live with no issues, is it worth me re-ripping it?

Well ive only done a few so far but my backup of Ace Combat is bad.


The weird thing is I re-backed up my original and its bad again, seems odd since I thought this was a random thing....


Gonna wait until I hear more.



bucky007 get your head out of your ass. Would you rather they keep their mouths shut until they totally figure it out? They are speculating and letting us know they aren't really sure whats going on. A heads up is what MOST of us appreciate.


If you dont like it my advice to you is to get out of the scene. bucky.


Drive: SH-D162C

Firmware: Kreon 8.0

XBC: up to 2.6

360 Drive: Sammy ms25

360 Firmware: ixtreme 1.0


Bad rip games: Halflife2, Ace Combat6

Good rip games: Halo3, COD4

I agree...It'll help the guys who will actually sort through this thread and use the informatin listed

1. Drive used to create backups samsung sh d163a


2. Firmware version Kreon v8.0


3. Version of Xbox Backup Creator 2.6


4. Drive and Firmware version (xbox360) Samsung ms25

5. List of good/bad SS sectors for games Halo 3 - Good

Checked the following games. When it says played it means it went on LIVE, when it says not played it means it was not played on LIVE.

Bad Kreon Rips:

Half-Life: The Orange Box (Never played)
Mass Effect (Played for an hour)
Lego Star Wars: The Complete Saga (Played for 5 mins to test)

Good Kreon Rips:

Assassin's Creed (Played a lot)
PGR 4 (Played a lot)
COD 4 (Played almost everyday)
NFS: Pro Street (Played a lot)
Ace Combat 6 (Played a lot)
Lego Star Wars: The Complete Trilogy (Played a lot)
Bioshock (Played a lot)
Tony Hawk's Proving Ground (Played for about an hour)
SKATE (Played for about an hour)


NOT BANNED.......Yet.......

Americas Army - Bad

Halo 3 - good
Assassins Creed - good
Kane n Lynch - good


All ripped from an original with a Samsung sh-d162c w/ Kreon v1.0 using Xbox Backup Creator 2.7.

Americas Army was played co op while LOGGED on to LIVE but NOT PLAYING on LIVE.

I agree completely with you. The dual layers add up, the time adds up, kreon drive, new 360 after the other one gets banned. It seems like its just smart to play the original copies all the time and be careful with them.

is it possible to integrate this kreon checker into XBC or mulleter? This way, when your done ripping your disc, you can verify everything is correct

in addition, is there an easy way to determine your kreon drive's firmware - i can't remember off hand...

Im using Xbox backup Creator 2.7 B0265 to extract the SS from my backups, as XDVDMulleter does not detect my sata drive. Im guessing XDVDMulleter does not have to be used, but is only a choice? So far the 6-7 games I have checked have been good. Will report more later.

Good:
-Halo 3
-Mass Effect
-Call of Duty 4

Not banned.

No bad SS detected. Does the kreon checker only work for the games on the list on the front page?

Well, his claim is just as validated as the people on xbox.com forums claiming they were banned without modification. There is a percentage of error.

----------------------------------------
Good SS

Cod4
Ace Combat
Assassins Creed
Blacksite
Kane and Lynch
Pro evo 2008
Skate
Virtua Fighter 5
Halo 3
Timeshift
PGR4
----------------------------------------
Bad SS

Orange box
----------------------------------------
Was playing Orange Box (Team Fortress) Online Last Night - NOT BANNED
I have many other games but only checked the ones from the last 2 months or so.

Running Elite with hitachi ixtreme (not sure which version :-( )

Kreon checker has no 'database'. It simply checks for a string that is in all of the bad SS's.



Possibly. It depends if the SS is bad in their database. I recommend using autofix, then trying kreon checker again. Some situations it works, others not yet.



Those options are already considerations, thank you.

NOTE:

I have cleaned up the trash from this thread. If it does not cover the agenda described in the first post, it WILL be removed.

If anyone even THINKS of posting their warez on here, you will have your post removed, and if it gets annoying enough, you will get banned too. The rules have NOT changed people, you know better.

ummm did you read the freakin article bro ?
The link is right there in the article about all this on the front page of X-S



Finally someone here with common sense!

Kreon sata - 0.80
XBC 2.6

All games NTSC

Good
Ace 6, Assin, COD4, Crash, Eternal, GOW, GHIII. Halo 3, Katamari, Mass, Orange, Time Shift, Virt Fighter 5

Bad
Narato - Not played in box A

2 360s
Both m28 with 5.2AFW

Both NOT bannded

Still trying to figure out this xdvdmulletter ss.bin check online-database thing.. sure I will get it soon.. Ne one want to put the paths up?

all of my iso's are good except Mass Effect. I haven't been banned yet. I don't want to say to much on here, so if any moderators want details, please PM me.

iextreme 1.3 firmware samsung ms28

Wrong he may have been flagged back when the 1st ban wave hit and just now be getting the hammer.
he also could have gotten the console used from someone else who did play a bad rip.

So far this theory looks absolutely correct.

Way to go C4eva and all the rest keep up the good work

bad:
Skate
Halo 3

Not banned, dont' play my xbox very often though

how do u get kreonChecker to check the .ss? Completley new at this.

Do i check the .iso or the .bin? and how do i get the .bin of a game?

Usually reading readme's, nfo's, or text files included with the app will tell you.



So here it is for the kreon checker...





So, you extract ss.bin from your backup using mulleter and save it to whatever directory you want. Then follow the above directions.



Caster.

Drive: SH-D162C TS04
Firmware: Kreon 81
XBC version: 2.7 build 265
360 drive: Samsung MS25, iXtreme 1.3, reporting as MS25

Only bad backup reported is my latest: The Simpsons Game (PAL/UK version). Played this extensively and I'm usually always connected to Live in the background.

Not banned (yet?).

Some of my game say This game was not found in the crc database, sorry in XDVDMuletter beta 10 2 are my backup so good or bad? But SS are Good in the Kreon program

Xtreme v1.6 is very old firmware and has none of the newer protections. He is banned for not keeping his firmware up to date.

If I understand things correctly (and with due apologies if I've got this wrong): the first "wave" of bans was caused by backups missing DMI, PFI etc. Regardless of whether the box was connected to XBL, the 360's kernel would spot the missing components on the disc and mark the console for banning. The next time the user connected to XBL, the ban 'order' was uploaded and the console banned shortly afterwards.

However, this time - assuming the theory is correct - MS is checking for specific data on the disc. Would it make sense to assume, therefore, that the SS check can only be done when the user is connected to XBL - uploading the SS of every disc booted to XBL for checking against MS's master "known good" list? *If* the SS's are being checked, the only other way I could see them doing it was holding a cache of "known good" SS's on every 360, perhaps auto-updated when the user signs on.

A question worth asking would be: was anyone banned after playing backups _offline_?

Well I cant be for sure... but storing a log of SS shouldn't be very hard when a SS is only 2kb... they could focus on just 50 games and still keep the log under 100kb and thats without summary or cursor glances that'll compress it further

That is a great question to be answered but people seldom understand the concept of offline. OFFLINE means the network cable is disconnected any time a backup is near the system.

Many people leave the cable in and think they are offline because they played a single player game.. obviously not true.

I was just thinking about this. So would it be true that along with a network cable plugged in you would also have to have some sort of Live account, be it gold or silver to be considered online? It would seem logical to me. I don't play on Live or even have an account, but I do stream movies/music through the 360. I think I have answered my own question.

For this specific issue, they dont need a cache of "known good" SS's. Only the value of one byte in these SS's determines if it is good or bad, based off of this recent discovery by C4e. So, they dont NEED to know if the rest of the SS data is good or bad, they can simply see if the response of this single byte is within the range that it should. This would be very easy to check on every SS without any sort of database.

Caster.

halo 3 good
cod4 good

orange box bad ss


banned

looks like my cod 4 rip comes up with Bad Kreon Rip. tried to autofix, reloaded my SS.bin into KreonChecker and it still comes back with a bad Krean Rip.. so im assuming that we have to wait for a new fix inorder to re-rip our games?? correct?

Is there a way we can do this now..without waiting for a fix.

BTW,

i have not been banned either...but i only play COD4 about twice a week

To clarify, since this bad SS is produced in random by the kreon drive, we essential have to re-rip our originals until the drive produces a backup with a good SS. Or is it that drive will always produce that bad SS, and you just got random bad luck?