I tried this before posting, and still gives me a bad SS.

Call me paranoid but I sometimes think that peeps like staples are planted by microsoft to put peeps like C4E and kreon off releasing their good work. As for kreon waiting for C4E to sort out his bad rips with firmware, it would be a lot easier to reflash our console's than to redo all our rips n burns,
On a side note has anyone else seen the bit on halo 3 where your going down to see the cartographer or somethin, there is a computer which you can access, it fafs about for a bit and then says somethin like "corrupt data detected verbatim media" WTF. I wonder if it says that on the original?
When I saw that I was expectin another wave of bans

Staple, I have an idea, go buy your games and when/if your originals get ruined, go buy another for 60 bucks. Problem solved.

This guy is a genius!

Just wanted to add my thanks to C4eva and Kreon for the incredible work they do.

I couldn't believe what I was reading when I got to staple123's post. How you can point the finger is beyond me man - you're nothing more than a complete and utter jerk in my humble opinion.

Has been said before but I will repeat it - no-one is to blame. Not even Microsoft. They sold machines under the agreement we wouldn't modify it or attempt to play backed up games. Right or wrong, this was their choice, is what we agreed to, and is what has been broken.

We rely on the clever people like C4eva and Kreon to keep our little discretion from Microsoft, but if for brief moments in time they get ahead and find us out, and ban us from Live in the process - it's no-one's fault but our own.

We can only hope that with each new trick Microsoft pull out of a bag, C4eva and Kreon will still be there to outwit them once again... and that those solutions will be provided before we're unlucky enough to join our banned brothers and sisters out there.

So again, thanks guys on behalf of all of us out here that appreciate you more than you could imagine.

Another thanks from me as well. Glad to see Kreon's response, which described the issue exceptionally well. So much better when no one's pointing fingers (if we all ignore staples, that is).

yes but... should i update are the bannings from the new dashboard update?

I wish people could please refrain from asking such questions like this. Or all the incorrect statements about how they are offline because they are not playing in multiplayer modes of games. If you feel like updating your modified console, go ahead. However, realize everything you do with a modified console has risks involved. There are no guarantees. If you read through the rest of this thread you would release there is a new fw release due out soon. I'm sure you will see something on the front page explaining everything.

As for that staples comment, how unbelievable. I guess this guy is such a great programmer he could just write his own firmware - I suggest you should. With all software, there is the potential for bugs as any developer knows. Reverse engineering firmware while trying to stay one step ahead has got to be very hard, especially at the amount of money they are making - NOTHING. I can only respect the people who have taken their own time to create all firmwares and apps related to the Xbox and 360. It is sad how many members can be so demanding and rude to such hard working people that are just doing this probably for fun.

And for that I would like to say thanks as well.

i still dont get it im wondering if i should update i thought its the games you play get you banned not the firmware. Did you update? and would it make a differnce if my game wasnt burned right anyways i thought the xbox holds history of the games so if youve ever played it, they will catch you. And are people catching yo just becuase, or is it happening from the update?

What do you not get? Also if you have been reading this post you would know that they cannot detect firmware, it is bad rips of games causing the banning. Update, but you do at your own risk. As of now there is no reason that you should not update unless you don't want xvid\divx support.

Jotavip,

I have the same issue I have a legit copy of halo 3. I have made a backup with XBC and passed stealth check in that program

Kreon checker reports bad rip

Xdvdmulleter says perfect no fix needed.


I reripped with schtrom and get the same errors.




Anyone have any ideas?




******Edit*****

Ok I tried something I took my original and extracted the SS from that dvd with XBC. I then took xdvdmulleter and injected that SS.bin into the image. What I was then able to do was extract that ss.bin with mullet and checked it with Kreon and tada I now have a good rip.


I hope this is correct and works.

Any comments would be appreciated.

So, I have looked around and I am still unclear on a certain particular...

Lets say I have been playing the Mass effect release that is raising red flags, but I have not connected to Xbox live - not even once... Does that put me in the clear? Or do I have some kind of "bad data" remaining in my save files or some kind of data logged on the HD of the xbox? So if I were to log into Live at any point in the future would I susceptible to a ban even if I don't have Mass effect in my disc slot, because the game has left some kind of watermark on my console? I understand that I am prone to a ban no matter how clean I think I am - but is there any confirmation on this sort of thing?

Sorry if this has been asked before, I just cannot seem to find an answer, thanks in advance.

You cannot find the answer because there is none. For all we know, MS sets a single bit in the encrypted eeprom that flags the 360 as banned.

Ahh, I sort of expected that - had to make sure though, thank you again.

I have exactly the same question !!!!!!!! the same thing is happening to me!!! with the same game!

Well I'm waiting for their to be a All-In-One Backup Utility and by all in one i mean it does all the shit you neeed it to do without extra programs and stuff and fixes this stupid problem. Because from what I've been hearing XBC is crappy and I dunno how to use all them other programs.

And a question for anyone who is more educated on this. How do you make backups with the samsung xbox drive? Can you just hook it to your computers expansion slots or do you have to do some confusing technical shit? And if using xbox drive best, where the heck can I buy one without getting ripped off or something?

Yes, Is there a tutorial out there for this. I have been using the Kreon dive to do my backups and half my games are giving bad SS codes.....



P.S. Staple123 is an Idiot

First of all, when you say something like "I dunno how to use all them other programs" it strongly suggests a diminished intellectual capacity on your part.

Second, by an "all-in-one backup utility" what you really mean is you just want one definitive program so you don't have to figure out how to use anything else. That is called "putting all your eggs in one basket" and it's a bad idea. No one is so smart that they can think of everything and execute it all perfectly. Having multiple apps helps guard against a myopic approach where something gets overlooked and left out.

I won't give you the usual "if you want it, go code it yourself" speech. But I will say, show some respect for the amazing work others have done. XBC excels at some things, as do Mulleter and Schtrom. Each have their strong points--and weak points--which is why we all benefit from having multiple choices and options.


You will have to do some "confusing technical shit" (and probably more confusing to you than to others). Search on "MS28 0800" and you should find it easily enough.

I'll let you figure out how to prevent getting "ripped off or something."

I don't know why everyone is bashing staples123. First of all i would like to say this board is very stubborn!! And what i mean by that is that noone is willing to accept the facts. Remember when the news of the recent banning was posted? Everyone was saying how it was only the people who dled scene release that were getting banned. And those getting banned were newbs and didn't know the shit. Even though some even said they made their own backups, people just brushed this to the side and blamed the fault on the incompetants. And then news of kreon drives were making bad backups was discovered. I mean yeah yeah yeah kreon c4ever are people that are contributing to the scene the most and everyone should be happy that they are putting in their free time but when kreon made a mistake you people shouldn't be all bashing on staples123. He makes a valid point, that kreon's work is no longer as reliable as you people make it out to believe. It seems to me that you guys still want to believe that kreon's is or will be 100% relaible after the patch work.

This post isn't about who to blame but rather that we need to think of The alternatives. Maybe the only way to make a perfect backup is to use the xbox drive. Or maybe this is just a false alarm as some have already said that they found bad ss bins but were still able to connect to xblive. Nothing is in the clear. Every opinion matters and every thought counts. Don't be too quick to brush some1 else's opinion to the side.

so I checked all my games(6) now with kreon checker and all of them passed test and I was never banned. all my originals were ripped using kreon drive. my xbox never had a bad SS game there..this makes perfect sense I guess. I highly doubt iXtreme gets you banned. its gotta be the bad rips..best way to NOT get banned is checking your games with kreon checker. if it doesn't pass then dont take a chance..play ur originals for now until something comes out to fix the problems.

I will defend Staples123 in that as far as Kreon firmware is concerned, eliminating jitter is the ideal solution for future rips. But to call this a "bug" or that somehow it has been hidden is not accurate. It has been known and discussed, and that's why C4Eva accounts for jitter in his firmwares. The part that is new about this is the realization that C4Eva's firmwares don't loop a disc angle value > 359 back to zero.

What I strongly disagree with Staples123 about is the attitude he brought in here. It's combative and accusatory. There's absolutely no need for that at all.

On a related note, I was told in a discussion with MomDad that Kreon has found a way to eliminate jitter and will be releasing an updated firmware. I hope that is true.

I was also told that the issue is a bit more complex than previously thought and that C4Eva is shooting for a Saturday release, although updated firmware has not even been released for testing yet. And he is still analyzing the new Live logs.

"Live logs"

Pardon my in-between off-topic question but i've been wondering for a while: what exactly are Live logs?

As far as i understand it's what C4EVA's debug firmware logs when connecting to live, so whatever "requests" (challenge/response stuff) to the DVD drive happen when you log in to live. Is that correct?

thats bad news, so it possibly couldbe the case even when we are using "good" kreon rips we still might not be safe? i wish c4eva would come out and update us to whats going on, i really dont wana get my 3rd 360 banned lol and yes im making my backups with a kreon drive

Hmm....I think you got me wrong on that one. The jitter is not a bug, and should not be condidered a bug in any way. The jitter is an important part of lowering the risc of M$ detecting a backup, but unfortunately there's a problem with the way that the (I)xtreme adds jitter to the angles, which can lead to invalid values being returned by the firmware.

There are still improvements to be made to the Kreon firmwares - no doubt about that. The timing of angles are still faked and the jitter functionality should probably be removed. Yes, thats right - all Kreon firmwares adds jitter to the angles as well, but they do wrap correctly at 359 degrees. The jitter function is from a time were the Xtreme firmware didn't have jitter built in, and it probably does more bad than good now that the (I)xtreme firmware handles jitter as well. Two jitter systems that don't know what the other system is doing, is not a good idea. For the same reason, I will disable jitter (or make i optional) in any future releases.

I know that C4eva is working hard to sort this out as we speek - he's doing a great job. There may be more to it, than just invalid angle values, and that's exactly why I decided to comment on this subject. We don't have all the facts yet, so please wait it out and please stop making new backups - the new backups may very well turn out to be just as good or useless as the ones you already have.

/Kreon

Hi all
Kreon maybe you know, when com4eva upload new fw ??

The fw will be done when its done. Just be patient.



Caster.

Kreon, thank you for commenting. We should all feel privileged to have commentary from pivotal scene contributors like yourself. I also feel embarrassed for some of the half assed comments on here, however easily dismissed. No doubt an age factor and I hope you can bring yourself to ignore childish and irrelevant arguments.

Thank you for all the invaluable work, I'm confident the majority of us look up to you.

Muz

Man i have basically spent three hours reading this topic front to back and damnit I am tired .
Anyway I have basically stayed off Live since I put IX 1.2c over the original on my 360 all my backups were made with via the Kreon 162c method.banning not an issue since I have yet to try it.May never.

I was getting ready to check all the backups again and fire up my Blaster 360 rip method and put the Kreon to bed but I guess with the new findings of possible jitter issues I will wait until a final determination is made of problem and solution.

I want to thank all the coders and posters that have helped to try to narrow the problem down.

Anyone who has come here and pointed fingers and laid blame needs to rethink their attitude. These people making firmwares and fixing problems dont do it for a prize or money reward.

They try their best to make things work 100% but its extremely hard to have a non problematic softare or hardware device.

As for the childish behaviour it need to stop and as Muzzakus said i hope you can ignore the bullshit.

My 2 cents.

hi, you can fix the bad ss by using myfix

and you can find help on

http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=632654

Excellent Work

iXtreme v1.4 fw for Sammy/Hitachi/BenQ now in testing

I wonder if the BenQ has better media detection put into this release?

Excellent

I think we should see a release tomorrow if it is in testing. Give them time to actually test the fw. It should be released by tomorrow morning here.

its worrying how on the #fw channel its saying that tht firmware compensates for "part of the kreon bug etc", so i gather from this it still might not be safe to use the firmware with kreon rips we currently have.

1.2 ixtreme kreon xbc all backups good ss on newer games still live

I WOULD LIKE TO THANK KREON & C4EVA FOR ALL THEIR HARD WORK AND TIME SPENT
DON'T FORGET MOST OF US WOULD BE A CREEK WITH OUT A PADDLE IF NOT FOR THEIR WORK ON THEIR OWN PROJECTS JUST THINK OF HOW MANY NIGHTS THEY STAYED UP UPGRADING AND NOT SPENDING TIME WITH THEIR WIFES/GIRL FRIENDS/KIDS/ REAL JOBS(THEY DONT GET PAID FOR THIS)

DON'T BE QUICK TO BLAME PEOPLE THAT ALL THEY HAVE DONE IS MAKE LIFE EZER FOR US...

THANKS AGAIN FOR YOUR GREAT WORK

AND TO ALL YOU HATE'RS OUT THEIR STOP BEING BITCHES AND RESPECT WHAT C4EVA AND KREON.
THEY WILL MAKE IT RIGHT

Lahey also made a fix like this a few days ago, the problem is we wont know if simply setting the bytes to 0000 will fix the issue until the new ixtreme fw comes out and final conclusions are made. There might be more to it than that, so I would recommend not making any new backups until this is sorted out.

<c4eva> new live log at http://www.xbins.org/xblive - All looks the same, no changes with new dash
<v3rb4t1m> same question 50x
<PlastkOwl> someone needs to flush
<Nosepicke> ew shawn kemp is black!
<v3rb4t1m> imagine that
<Nosepicke> gross
<dialtone> TY C$E
<dialtone> hehe
* limbr0 (~1@211.27.38.76) Quit (Ping timeout: 202 seconds)
<TalonII> yay!


Looks like we are gravy!

having said that people still got banned and nothing has changed, so it isnt really all gravy, i presume they do the ss check through the challenge/response so we still need the new firmware ASAP

well all we can do now is wait for the new firmware to come out.. I've held out on flashing my other 360 until this new firmware is released and hopefully that will be the end of this but with modding nothing is certain but at least we can rest assured that some very smart people are working on this and can hopefully remain 1 step ahead of MS.. Great job c4eva and kreon..thanks for all the hard work

I quote KREON:

"the 359 angle can be found in SS files extracted on an OEM 360 DVD drive as well.[color=#CC0000] "

Now this is the exactly opposite of what we were told 18 months ago...and it was THAT SPECIFIC concern about the integrity of the SS file and the way it was randomly generated by one of the early v.80 KREON drives..in fact it was understood that the 360's internal OEM drives were considerd a much better choice for ripping any ISO to make sure that the SS was proper...;we were told that there was no doubt the OEM360 will do a much better ripping job of the game image. I STILL BELIEVE THAT IS TRUE.

TIME TO BUY A REALLY LONG SATA CABLE TO CONNECT YOUR PC TO YOUR 360 and retire these KREON rips...I don't trust them and neither should anyone.


I am not trying to insult KREON, I very much appreciate his work, but its time to eliminate one of these programs from the ripping equation and simplify this process...from reading your newest comments you still have many unknows in your KREON software..the less unknowns the better.

Its time to buy a really long SATA cable to connect our 360's to our PC's and retire KREON

God in heaven, don't use this! The answer is not to patch your SS just to fool Kreon Checker. Anyone who does this gets what they deserve.

Please, for the love of God Kreon/C4E/MomDad/everybody else who works for the scene, do not think that this idiot speaks for all of us. Most of us deeply appreciate all of the work you've put into a thankless job and know that you don't deserve to be harassed by some moron on the outside looking in pointing out the minor slip-ups you make because you're human.

Staple123, you are a horrible human being.

Welcome to the modding scene.

Staple123, I've tried to defend you, but your attitude sucks ass. I do wish you'd go away and come back only when you have your own firmware to boast about.

You have nothing to do than criticize the work of others, my patch is to simply replace by 00H the 32bit data added by kreon randomly namely sectors 229H and 230H .Et my work is based on the comparison between many good and bad ss in many games.
So stop criticizing without evidence.

About the kreon checker. Is this tool still valid?

I'm guessing it checks for high angle values that could in ixtreme result in incorrect values >359? (<0?)

So the jitter max/min random value generated by ixtreme is indeed considered in this tool?

(Can this value also be negative? If so, does ixtreme report incorrect values then too?)

Sorry about all the questions... just want to clarify.

Keep up the good work folks - u know who u are!

I think just screw making backups all together it's to much work and money and is not nearly worth the effort.
When in the end your going to get banned anyway. I'd rather just buy the real games.

Excellent idea... you go ahead and do that. Microsoft appreciates your business.

For the rest of us who enjoy the effort and challenge, we'll keep doing what we do. And, based on the numbers, only a few of us will end up banned. We understand the risk.

seeing as the longest sata cables are around 3 ft maybe you can design a 20 ft then give each and every one of us one if you do not want to use the kreon drive don't!! if you can come up with better firmware for the 360 and the samsung drive then make your own and mess up your own s**t stop coming in here bashing other peoples hard work. You make me sick

Just curious, could an original disc produce this error when handled by the iXtreme firmware? Sorry if this is a silly question.